**"Mauro Biglino im A.A.S.-Büro in Interlaken: Mit Ramon Zürcher im Gespräch über die alten Götter"** (translated: "Mauro Biglino in the A.A.S. Office in Interlaken: In Conversation with Ramon Zürcher about the Ancient Gods"
### Video Overview
The YouTube video you linked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn_3jpHXmx0) features an interview titled **"Mauro Biglino im A.A.S.-Büro in Interlaken: Mit Ramon Zürcher im Gespräch über die alten Götter"** (translated: "Mauro Biglino in the A.A.S. Office in Interlaken: In Conversation with Ramon Zürcher about the Ancient Gods"). It's a German-language discussion recorded in Interlaken, Switzerland, likely at the office of A.A.S. (possibly referring to a research or publishing group focused on ancient astronaut theories or alternative history). Mauro Biglino, the Italian biblical scholar and author known for his literal translations of the Old Testament, speaks with host Ramon Zürcher about his controversial theories on ancient "gods" as extraterrestrial beings or advanced entities, drawing from Hebrew texts.
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Hey, Maro. Welcome back. Hello, my dear.
What a pleasure to be here.
Nice to have you back in our office.
Yes. Yes. Yes. I remember two two two
years of work with Eric
Four years actually. Four years you have
been here the first time.
The first time.
Yeah.
Four years with the office of Eric.
Yeah. With the table where you have the
interviews
and your
my office is over here. Um this is what
I wanted to show you. That's why we are
here now.
Enter to my um little kingdom.
To my kingdom. To your kingdom. Yes.
Yes. Yes. That's how I my job with Eric
started in 2004. So 21 years ago. Um we
have uncountable pages of of um articles
of writings of correspondence with Eric.
Okay.
And other researchers and we had to
digitalize this for a future generation
that everything is digital.
I understand.
So that's how I started. We have about
200,000 pictures
in our archive from all Eric's travel.
Uh we have photograph positives and here
the documents. So that's um so to say
the core of our office that's the that's
like the generation legacy from Eric
which I try to um
because it is it is 90 years old. So
and so it's naturally he wishes to to to
rest I think.
Yes sure but um the people must know
that it will not stop.
No
he he was just the beginning and what we
have here is just the beginning of a
huge legacy of um a a a huge uh research
project with many many scientists like
you are. Um we as AAS like um our
research organization with our magazine
we um have our magazine every two months
and we inform the people about the
newest uh news about our topic in that.
So we have a huge um collective we have
a huge network which will bring this
legacy of Eric to the future.
Yes. And in the meantime I was first
digitalizing digitalizer then I was a
secretary and then I became more and
more kind of manager for Eric in the
last 10 years
and now since he said okay I it's enough
I want to relax and retire
and you now continues with the travel
all around the world.
Since then exactly yeah since then I
took it over more and more visit
archaeological sites and so on.
Exactly. Yeah. So it will go further
and to explain to the public.
Exactly. Not only uh it's what you are
talking about this um the the travels
you know that we lead groups to other to
these places where we have written about
or where the most interesting mysterious
are. Yes. So I have now a group uh of
over 20 people booked already for
November to go with me to Egypt.
Egypt
and next year to South America
and then maybe next year to Sardinia.
Okay.
You have you gave me so many interesting
information.
You guys must see this documentary
about Sardinia. Very newest information.
So I'm really looking forward to go to
Sardinia with the knowledge of you.
Okay. Okay. Okay.
Yeah.
I'm very happy to be here with Rammon.
Thank you very much.
Who is the manager of Eric Fonden
and so we can talk about your adventure
for example with him about your travel
about your project.
Okay. because I know that you have many
project
that that
where will will carry you all around the
world.
Exactly. Yeah. Maybe let's start with
your project what you have with Eric and
um from my side I'm very happy to
welcome you here in interlock on the
bottenberg in Switzerland and that you
had has had the possibility to see Eric
and to present your wonderful book
because I think it's so important that
uh finally we have to prove that these
texts which Eric says since 60 years he
said this cannot be God. And now Mao
Bellinho comes and proves that this is
nothing um spiritual. This is nothing
esoteric but flesh and blood beings and
this is so to say like a birthday gift
for Eric to his 90th birthday. um that
somebody comes and can really scientific
scientifically prove that he was always
right and that's I want to thank you for
this great work you did in the last
years and um yeah just want to express
that I'm extremely
but what's important in my opinion
uh as translator
is to pay respect to the ancients
And so it's important to pretend that
what they uh wrote
could be true
because uh it's uh we need always to be
humble when we speak about ancient
ancient books. But what's important is
that my method
meet perfectly with method of u Eric who
travel all around the world visiting
sites
uh speaking with people local people
speak speaking about ancient lors about
the so-called myths but we know that
there maybe were not myths but real
history
and and um the two methods so different
um
carry us to the same conclusions.
Mhm. And I think this is very important.
And I think that
this can help helps the the the people
to understand
the real history of humankind.
Yeah. It's always what um Eric and we
always say that the very first people
that learned to write
and also it is written that the gods
from the firmament teached humans to
talk and to write give names to
everything and the very first ones who
are were able to write they did not
invent science fiction stories they were
document recording what the reality what
is happening at the moment and if they
did not understand uh something coming
down which they could not compare to
nature to natural things. Yes.
So they had no words for it. So they had
to describe it. And that's what what we
can say now that they were really true
um document documenters and not science
fiction writers
because they were uh absolutely precise
when registering
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the translation the the the
commerce between us between uh between
each other
and uh and so we
I think it's reasonable to assume that
they were precise also when described
for example machines
technical tools
absolutely
flying objects
and uh
I think we have to uh to to have an open
mind and accept these to these tales,
these narratives.
Because uh if we accept these narratives
and we told the world of the ancient uh
authors for
they for what they are, we uh understand
the real history of humankind
and and uh and uh I I read of course the
books of uh Eric and Eric describes
um all the laws
he heard
from the people all around the world and
all the laws narrate the same history.
Exactly. Yes. because I think um it it's
not the the matter of of of maybe not or
let's say it in the other way. Um I
believe that they were always the same
gods but from a different cultural
understanding
interpreted in a different cultural
understanding. So I I speculate or I
come more and more to the conclusion
that the gods like the family of the
gods like Seuss is the same like Odin,
like um Quetzel Quatal in in Central
America like like other gods all around
the world. But when they came down from
their mother spaceship in the orbit, it
doesn't matter where you go down on
Earth. You can go everywhere. But the
people who are already there you they
have civilizated them much longer before
and we don't know how many times they
have arrived since human existence.
Yes.
And what they did as modu uh modulation
in our genetic um codes and stuff. And
later on when the first human had a kind
of civilization when they came down
again it's for me it's logic that a Maya
person does interpret it different to um
a celt like in England or um in
Mesopotamia.
So I believe that more or less these are
always the same astronaut gods but with
another name with another cultural
background.
Yes. Because they had different
languages.
You quoted mothercraft.
Mother spaceship.
Mother spaceship.
And I remember that I uh read in the the
book of Eric that when the ancient
authors
um
spoke about the even
uh actually they spoke about uh the the
mother ship mothercraft or spacecraft
which was in the event.
Mhm. and from which they descended on
the earth to g to give the civilization
to humankind.
Uh and to whom they taught to to to to
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read to to to writing to to breeding to
farming to leading in organized society.
Exactly. and so and so on and this is
present all around the world.
Exactly. So we are many documents. We
are many
um
testimony.
I don't know if in English is
sorry we are we have
we have we have
we have uh many testimonies
inscriptions maybe
incriptions
we are many
we have
we we have
we have many inscriptions
we have a sculptures we Have imagine
that represent these um beings
that the human the primitive humankind
uh transformed in god.
Mhm.
But they were in being in in flesh and
blood.
Mhm. Yeah. It's only the difference
about the technology you know if we
would see something uh a technology with
which is in front let's say 100 years
from our today's status quo if we would
see something like that um even if it's
only technology we would think it's
magic
it would be magic and this must be for
for people who live in nature and
primitive societies if somebody if
something like this happens, this is a
impact on the society. This is a big
happening
and that's why the the writers they want
to fix that they wanted to write it down
that it because it was so important
with the words that they had at their
disposition.
Exactly. Yeah.
That with words that that were available
at that time. Mhm.
We know are able to understand
what uh they could couldn't understand
of course
and uh so it's important what um
Eric and I wrote in this book because
the two approach to the ancient
civilization humankind civilization
carried us to the same conclusion.
Mhm.
So an encounter with a higher
civilization
who had uh more knowledge, more
technology
and they uh gave these knowledges, these
technologies
uh to humankind. Of course,
in order to, in my my opinion, in order
to form to to forge a civilization
able to understand and to execute
orders.
Mhm.
So, we were created
just like them, but for serve them,
for for um work for them. Mhm. Okay. But
if isn't it like that that I believe or
in our research what Eric did and what I
am continuing as well now after 20 years
working with him. Um I think there is
there are some differences between the
gods so to say that um when we look to
the Hopi in North America to the Kacina
they were always helpful teachers you
know we were not like um like slaves for
for for these kind of uh beings
and also um when you look at this
traditions in the Bible with with Enoch
what's happened to Enoch
that um the the 200 fallen angel make a
mutiny against the highest commander
because the highest commander he the
highest law was not to get in in um
contact too much with with the people
down on earth just to teach them but not
to go in relation with them and having
um children with these beautiful girls
on on the world. And from that point on,
we know from Enoch's book that um the
this highest commander refused to take
them back on his mother's spaceship.
Yes.
So they have to stay here on the earth
and afterwards um they they tried to
clean everything with the great flood.
Yes. And but some of them survived. And
I think then the the fallen angel who
has had to ha stay here that they um
comp they they cut it or they made their
territories. That's my territory. These
are my people. They must serve me and
stay on your side. so that they um
divide
divide between each other in order to
conquer other people, other lands to
rule over.
And I think that's um the pe or these
gods who who treated us like um slaves.
Yes.
Later on, but I don't think that it was
the original purpose.
So we have two two kind of um
civilization civilizators.
Mhm. teachers and colonizers.
Mhm. Okay.
The first one were
were were on the earth to teach to
humankind
and the other to
consider the humankind just like a
slaves.
Mhm. Yeah.
Yeah.
So do you agree? Bible. And the Bible
speaks about one of them, Yahweh.
Mhm.
Who wanted the slaves who wanted a
people who worked for him.
Mhm.
And uh he was very very hard with with
them
and he killed them if
like a dictator. So
like a dictator like a dictator. Mhm.
They had to to execute order without
discussion.
Yeah. Otherwise they will be punished.
Punished
and also killed.
Mhm. Yeah. So that's for me it's
important to make the difference between
the good ones and the bad ones.
Okay. so to say and yeah this is just
our theory how it could have been
because to this traditions you know and
this is something what I find so um
fantastic in in your and Eric's book I
don't know any author which has so many
sources and quotes and and footnotes and
you have about 300 footnotes now
more than 300
more than 300
so this is really scient scientific. So
the people who are really interested
they can go and and search for more for
deeper
information.
Yes. Because the the topic needs to to
to be u considered scientific.
Mhm.
Also if uh we are speaking about
hypothesis
Mhm.
because we we don't have
evidence
final proof. Yeah. final proof.
But uh we can
we have to to to be um more scientific
as as we can.
Mhm. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Absolutely. I I'm I'm sure
of that.
Mhm. and and uh we have no proof but uh
we have no proof proof for example of
the death of the um Caesar emperor Roman
emperor we have no proof
yeah that's
we have only written documents
exactly yeah
and so we believe in these documents and
so I I say we need to pretend that also
the other ancient authors narrated
the the possible truth.
Yeah. Exactly.
What what they witnessed.
Mhm. Yeah. And the indications so to
say, they get more and more that it's
not a religious thing but a really
extraterrestrial thing.
Yes.
Yeah. and and we don't be afraid to to
talk about extraterrestrial
also if this argument in many nation is
a taboo
and for example in Italy.
Mhm. But this is word strange because in
Italy we are Catholic
and the Catholic believes in aliens
because the god of the Catholic is an
alien.
Mhm.
Because is not human.
It has a nature
different from the human nature.
Mhm.
He is not of dessert.
Mhm.
He is in the even.
Mhm.
He has
he is more powerful.
He can uh rule over the laws of the
nature.
Mhm.
So he's not human.
Mhm. And if is not human, he is an
alien.
Here we go.
It's logic.
It's logic. Perfect.
The angels The angels The angels are not
human
of a a nature different from that of the
humankind.
The demons
the same.
Mhm. the we we think that the angels are
are good benevolent with with with the
humankind and the demons uh instead are
bad.
Mhm.
And so uh um remind me what you said you
said before there are the teachers and
the colonizers the goods and the bad one
and the bad ones. Mhm.
But but but I think that that the
Catholic
um
could
believe in the in the existence of
aliens
because they already
believe in aliens
without doubt. Without doubt.
Yeah. But they don't want to hear this
because they are in their religion
mindset. So I they probably don't want
to wake up.
No, absolutely.
At the moment.
Absolutely. Absolutely. But these are
little baby steps toward the truth, you
know. And yeah, I'm so happy that what
Eric said since 60 years, that was his
theory and he was attacked and accused
and stuff and crashed down. But he he
always keep on this idea that these were
not gods. And now you come and you can
prove it by literal texts without any re
translations without any religion
um back
mind or something.
Yes, but I I agree with Eric when he
says that the zeitgeist the spirit of
time is changing.
Absolutely. So the people are uh in my
opinion in my opinion ready to accept
the idea of aliens.
Mhm.
Because uh
the sighting are millions.
Now in the meantime time has changed.
Yeah. For example, in Central and South
America,
the sighting are continues.
I I I would think every day.
Absolutely. Yes. You know, we have had a
book in the in the office from two
American journalists and they have
collected over 10 years every official
UFO um registration. when somebody saw
something and went to a police station
and put on record what they have sown.
So they have um um collected um 10
million uh of such cases in the last 10
years
and they think um no sorry they
collected um 1 million uh cases and they
think that they only have only 10%.
Okay. because a lot of people do not go
when they see something or they do not
report it.
So this is incredible. United States for
10 years. So that must be um 10 million
sightings, you know, actually. And in
South America, the people are different
have a different mindset. They they have
even national um um departments who are
collecting information about UAPs and
UFO stuff. So the Latin Americans they
are completely more open to that topic
because they everybody knows somebody
who has seen something or on his own or
with his family. So for them it's pretty
normal. But for us Europeans, we do
really hard to accept that there is
something bigger than us. So it has to
do something with your ego or with the
ego of the people that if there is
something which is higher than us, we
are not the greatest anymore.
Oh no,
we are not the crown of creation
anymore. Not absolutely
not the end of evolution. We are not of
creation.
Absolutely. But this is a ego problem
which a lot of people still have today.
We we we are one species between maybe
million of species that populate
inhabitate the universe.
Absolutely. That's otherwise it would be
wasted place wasted room. But there are
there are many rabbis
who say that
um the creation of many
um
words many words of many group of beings
in the universe is um
a part of the
god's uh possibility
Mhm.
And so it it would be absurd if uh God
um created only us.
Exactly. Yeah.
It it would be absolutely absurd.
Absurd
because the universe is
greatest. We don't know how
how big it really is.
Yes. Yeah. And so we we
it's reasonable to assume that we are
not alone.
Never ever. I bet.
Okay.
So Maro,
it was a pleasure to have you here with
your wonderful wife Elizabetha.
And I think we have much more to say.
Oh yes.
And to research.
And to research.
Yeah. Thank you very much.
We have to continue. You have to
continue the work of Eric
and I have to continue my work about the
translation of ancient text
and together it will be bigger than we
can ever imagine.
Yes. because our our works
uh reached the same conclusions
and that from different angles
from this different channel and that is
very very important.
Thank you very much.
Thank you to you.
Thank you ma'am.
See you soon. very soon.
To the next time.
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